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Yaakov Wolff's avatar

Interesting comment received:

A lot of Rabbi Kassorla's points resonated and I want to caveat my point by starting with that although it is a very complex sugya, I myself don't go up, based on my fidelity to my Rabbeim and the chinuch I received of adherence to Gedolei Yisroel.

But I would like to point out a clear inconsistency in R' Kassorla's argument.

Kassorla rightly criticizes advocates of ascent for focusing on the supposed psychological, sociological, or ideological motivations of their opponents rather than engaging the halachic substance of the sugya.

Yet he then does precisely that himself, characterizing advocates of ascent as motivated by a desire to assert Jewish authority and sovereignty.

Perhaps some are.

But if the standard is that we stick to the sugya rather than psychoanalyzing the other camp, that standard must apply in both directions.

You cannot dismiss motive as irrelevant when discussing those who oppose ascent, then invoke motive when discussing those who support it.

Either motive is relevant or it is not.

Applying that standard selectively is glaringly inconsistent, and more than a little hypocritical.

My point is simply that the same rules of argument must apply to both sides.

To reiterate, I am not advocating for ascent, nor do I ascend, just seeking a consistent standard as to admissible argument.

Daas Yochid's avatar

Did R Kassorla write this or say it?

Pangram says this is 100 percent Ai and it shows.

I take halachic arguments.based on the effort and seriousness behind them. AI writing is the opposite of that.

(The same goes for Har Habayis. The assirim have generally very little to rely on except 'mesorah' and vague platitudes. The matirim expend significant effort on the arguments. It's hard to steelman the reason it's assur because it's not.)

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